An evaluation of reversals on a website concerning criminal case

This post will look at some reversals posted by someone who has a website using speech reversals to investigate crimes. On the website are many documented reversals from entities related to the DeOrr Kunz case. The documenter of the reversals has claimed knowledge/guilt by the child’s parents in his disappearance. These claims have apparently upset a number of people involved in the case, including the family of Deorr Kunz Jnr. Regardless of whether the child’s parents have any involvement in his disappearance, an analysis of the reversals shows that they lack accuracy and value as speech reversals, and my opinion is also that the person’s interpretation of the apparent reversals lack worthwhile value (A section of the first reversal below [reviewed and revised here] is probably the only one of any note). It is my understanding that he has no association with David Oates and Reverse Speech Enterprises, and has had no training through David Oates’ organisation. The website address is .

Deorr Kunz Snr (The child’s father)

(1) Now they knows we shooting more kids than they’ll kill ‘em   

  • The end of the reversal occurs at the end of ‘shooting’. However, the reversal is ‘Now they knows we shoot him’, where the [m] comes from the [m] in the FS (FS: they told [me she was on the other line]).
  • ‘More kids’ – [m] can be gained as a continuation from the [m] in ‘shoot him’. There is an apparent [s] from the aspiration of the [t] in the FS, which places an [s] before the documented [k] in ‘kids’ in the RS. There is no [s] at the end, however. The ending has [th] from ‘they told’. It is unclear what this section could be (if anything). It sounds something like ‘morsgive’, giving the final [th] a more labial quality to create a possible [v].  One could start to offer possibilities, accepting distortion in the sounds, like, must give, most give, or even more scared, but it should be let go.
  • There is nothing documentable in the rest of it. Certainly not ‘than they’ll kill ‘em’, where ‘than they’ll’ is something like [namakh] before the [c] on ‘come’ is articulated.

(2) Survey had to find an ideal spot here I know that he hid.  

FS: They have torn that creek upside down and in and out for divers

The approximate sounds that occur:

Survyad (?) cryinin/fryinin an idel spocker; shinero (?) my/by head/he ‘ad (? represents an indiscriminant sound.

  • Not enough evidence for ‘survey’
  • ‘to find’ can be projected into it; however, the syllable ‘in’ before ‘an’ is missing from the documentation.
  • ‘an ideal’ can be projected into it.
  • ‘spot here’ – not enough evidence (like ‘spo’kr’).
  • here I know that he hid – !!!??? How did the documenter get that?

There is nothing documentable here.

(3) Why looking they’ll never see it, stump on.  

FS: Not much space around there he could go

Approximate sounds:

Whyge look ee towa  nar’l see it; shtump on.

There is nothing documentable here.

(4) When she pulled out I hid we left him  

Forward: [with them and they had our location]n

Approximate sounds:

A shake pullorada I hid munethyl

The only sounds that occur is ‘I hid’. There is nothing documentable here.

(5) Her knee prevent me going down it  

FS: [and not knowing never being there], I knew I was in trouble

Approximate sounds: Her knee prevent nyorn darnit

  • ‘Her knee prevent’ is reasonably there
  • There is some semblance to ‘down it’
  • ‘me going’ [nyorn] does not bear any resemblance.

Only the first 3 words sound like they are there.

(6) Hammers they’ll  find him 

FS: I didn’t want to risk [getting halfway through my] talking to 911 and have it cut off.

Approximate sounds: Hammers to fih-n thig

  • Hammers – yes
  • they’ll – yes, possible
  • find – could be a [b] initial; [n] disappears
  • him – at the [t] in ‘gettin’ a possible [th] can be perceived; the end is [g] or a nasal [ng]

The last two words are poor. It lacks value as a reversal.

(7) Yeah this idiot notion 

FS: I’m not sure what day it is today

What I hear: Yeah the city had notion

  • this idiot [day it is t]oday – the sounds are like ‘the city had’

Comprehensible words appear, but not the ones documented.

(8) Merse the first one 

FS: … but he moves pretty good [and that was our concern]. He he was right with us …

Sounds approximate: Nurs’n crowzalwoni or (Pers’n)

  • first one [and that was our c]oncern– there are 4 syllables, not two.
  • [c] instead of [f]
  • [p] instead of [m] in ‘merse’

There is potentially something here:

Therefore, a possibility is ‘Person/Nursin’ – crows’ll want it

(9) Boy get fumid ember flash his nose 

FS: that [turns his head for a minute, they move, they go]

Sounds are something like : Woai geth fumid emmr fdlasiznurs

There are two different tonalities. The first:

  • Boy – definite [w] as an initial
  • Get – probably OK
  • Fumid – seems OK
  • emmr – the [m] could be heard as [b] in general listening

The second:

  • flash – [f] possibly can be seen as beginning it; there is really an [fdl]; a sibilant at the end, closer to [s] than [sh]. There is at least some possibility that it is meant to be ‘flash’.
  • his – possible
  • nose – a sense of a sibilant occurs on the end; vowel is similar to vowel in ‘nurse’.

As a reversal, it is highly suspect. I would be very careful about making claims about it.

(10) This officer a damned threat  

FS: [There’s, might, there’s a possi]bility that he …

Approximates: This opizer a damned zret

Sounds are reasonably close to documented reversal. ‘zret’ could be meant to be ‘threat’, and ‘opizer’ could be meant to be ‘officer’.

Deorr Kunz (The child’s grandfather)

(11) Voice the cult wounded     

FS [they don’t walk uphill]

  • wounded [they don’t] – sounds something like ‘ondith’; ‘wounded’ can be projected into it easily.
  • the cult [walk up] – sounds like ‘bu-kul’
  • voice – approximates ‘woikh’ where [kh] sounds like a frication occurring around the velar region. Perhaps if the frication was more like an [s] sibilant, one could entertain the possibility of the [w] being meant to be a [v]. However, there are two problems with it, not one.

Too dissimilar to be considered worthwhile.

(12) I know was one of the Lemhi cult now risky  

FS: He could not walk on level ground without falling down

Ni know of – was woval lowlock, thou risky

  • Lemhi – wal[k on le]vel – sounds like something like ‘lowlo[ck]’or ‘wolock’. One may even project the word ‘wedlock’ into it in a general listening.
  • was one of the – lev[el ground withou]t – one can’t expect that these short weak words [one of the] will come out clearly even in forward speech. It is deteriorated, though,  and evidence is not adequate to be certain. There would have to be strong evidence surrounding.
  • I know – a 3rd syllable is present at [fa]lling down to sound something like ‘know of’
  • cult [walk] – really ‘cul’, but of course, an alveolar [t] will often assimilate with an alveolar (or other consonant) in the initial of the word immediately following, and the ending will not be perceived clearly.  There is a reasonable length pause, though, to the following word, so this reduces the strength of the documented word as a possibility.
  • now risky – initial alveolar sounds more like [th] or [d]; risky seems OK; it could be meant to be ‘now risky’.

Some of the words in the documented reversal are possible. Lemhi is not there, however.

(13) Farmfields dump, Shell diesel pump  

FS: They could have coached him down, [muffled his voice, muffled his mouth] and headed through the trees and he’d never be seen.

One can’t just expect RS to be well-formed linguistically as that doesn’t always happen in FS. You only have to hear how poorly formed the second ‘muffled his’ is in the FS. There has to be reasonable evidence, though, that the sounds in the RS is what one claims they are. A ‘big picture’ listening of the whole reversal is important, as it is in FS, and even if some sounds don’t seem to match on close examination, it may very well be what was heard in a general listening. However, this is not always the case. The big picture listening should be compared with a close examination of what is happening at a segmental and phonemic level.

  • Farm [mouth] – this is reasonable as the fricative is similar to [f].
  • fields – muff[led his] – a fricative sound occurs, but it is like an [z] with some characteristics rather than [f]. Two strong, clear syllables producing ‘zeth’l’.
  • dump rather than [d] in ‘dump’, one can hear either [f] at the point of mu[ff], or project into it an [th] or [p].
  • Shell – is possible
  • diesel – muff[led his] – in a general listening one can project an [s] sibilant, but it isn’t actually there. One can hear [d] as an initial; the [s] in ‘diesel’ is another alveolar stop (without the initial it sounds like “it’ll”).
  • pump – [muf]fled – initial can sound like [p], so this approximates documented word.

‘Farm’ and ‘Shell’ can be heard as examples of the sounds. ‘fields’ is not there. ‘dump’ most likely not either. ‘diesel’ can be projected into it, and ‘pump’, too.

The second half is more accurate than the first half.

Sheriff Bowerman

(14) They lying nervous they’re doubtn’ that they’re killers none of em make it  

FS: … taken voluntarily taken polygraphs and right now those ….

  • They lying nervous – [s and right now that tho]se have been – Documenter left an extraneous sound at the start of the reversal [ood]. They (or they’re) is reasonable; lying is a possible representation of the sounds; no [v] in ‘nervous’.
  • they’re doubtn’ – tak[en polygraphs]- to hear the initial, you would have to start after the end of the long [s] and at the point of release to get an impression of a [th] or [d], otherwise it begins with [s]; also, at the end of ‘they’re’ on close listening (at the [g] in FS), [b] occurs. The remainder is similar to ‘dogma’ [en pol] – The [n] assimilates to the [p] leaving an impression of [m]; the release of [p] produces constriction in the throat leaving an impression of [g].
  • that they’re killers – volun[tarily taken] – ‘that’ is actually the ‘ma’ from ‘dogma’; ‘killers’ – [k] is more [d] from the position of the tongue close to the alveolar ridge in ‘[ly t]ake’’. Probably sounds more like ‘dealers’. They’re [tak] – most like ‘get’.
  • none of ‘em [n volun] – sounds like ‘no ob’n’ or ‘no ob’m’.
  • make it – [taken] – it can be like ney get’ (maybe representing ‘they get’) or ‘may get’

‘nervous’ is highly doubtful; it isn’t doubtn’, killers is highly doubtful as well; none of ‘em’ unlikely to be there. There are a couple of potential statements here. The first statement ends at ‘dogma’ and moves quickly to the second statement. (‘dogma’, of course, isn’t perfectly shaped, for example there is an aspiration at [g]; I present it as a possibility). The section does gives the impression of language being spoken. This section may be heard in the following way:

They’re/They lying now – Messiah dogma or alternatively, They’re/They lyin’ – their Messiah dogma

  • now or their comes at [right]
  • For ‘Messiah’, [m] can be gained from [n] in [‘n right]; the faint [b] at the end would have to be ignored .

The next statement is like ‘Get dealers no ob*/Get dealers is no ob. Last part – ‘n they get’/may get. ‘Get dealers (is) no ob; ‘n they get’.


(15) Klein had ruined the answers  

FS: … tips of sightings and of course that slows us down, we have to take those [seriously and and rule them out]

  • Klein had – the[m out] – [n] is [m]; the initial could be perceived as [t] or [k]
  • ruined [‘n an’ rule’] – sounds similar to ‘woo-nan’; there is also an extra [n] following
  • the answers [seriously an’] – [th] comes at [n] and is acceptable; ‘an’ comes at [ly] and does not sound like ‘an’ – this part sounds like ‘they’ll; ‘swers’ comes from ‘sers’. So, this is like ‘they’ll sers’.

RS has an issue with m/n – any acceptance of an [n] for an [m] would depend on how well the rest of the reversal is shaped, and other factors. There is a lot of imprecise sounds  here, and this shouldn’t be documented.

(16) Klein careless  

FS: 4 to 6 feet of snow in there [so right now]

  • Klein [now] – the beginning is an aspirated ‘hw’, and so the velar position of the [w] approximant can allow one to project into it [kl]. Also, with this projection, it can sound like ‘client’
  • careless [so right] – There is no [c]; the [t] in FS is assimilated into the [n] in ‘now’; it becomes similar to ‘errors’.

Therefore, if we assume a ‘meant’ [kl] beginning, there is either ‘client errors’ or Klein errors’.

(17) Tie the Klein  

FS: [now it’s a vast] area that it there’s just one way in

  • the Klein [now its a] – [kl] comes from projection into [it] in the FS. There is an alveolar sound (e.g., l or t); however, there is a ‘click’ at [ts] that occurs which can give one an impression of [k]. [l] is a projection into it. With [ts] is the FS, it also sounds like [sk]. ‘the’ is [va], however, flexibility should be permitted with ‘the’ as variation also happens in FS.
  • tie –v[ast] – this sounds reasonable

One would have to accept that the subconscious was attempting to produce ‘Klein’. Phonological uncertainty, a lack of language in the reversal (shortness), and a lack of reference to Klein limits this somewhat.





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